Tyranny is Alive in Kentucky GL

TBL Staff · 04-16-2008, 10:43 AM

A Brother on Thebluelodge.org (cemab4y) has become the latest target of a tyrannical GL system. The Brother outlines in great detail what transpired along with copies of the communications between himself and his GL. Here is a excert from one of the GLs response to him.

First let me thank you for the quick response. I am sorry to tell you that under the Grand Lodge of Kentucky Constitution and Recognition we do not recognize Prince Hall. As we do recognize The Grand Lodge of New York and the Grand Lodge of Oklahoma it does not mean that we recognize Prince Hall just because they do. Your membership in the New York lodge was predicated on your membership in Bowling Green 73 and the Grand Lodge of Kentucky. So therefore, you have violated your oath and obligation within the Grand Lodge of Kentucky F. & A.M. for visiting a clandestine lodge and having Masonic relations with a clandestine mason. Under the Constitution of the Grand Lodge of Kentucky F. & A. M. and under the TRIAL CODE & DISCIPLINE / SECTION 2 - DEFINITIONS. (k) UNMASONIC CONDUCT – A Mason is guilty of unmasonic conduct if he: (8) Violation of an oath lawfully taken is Masonic offense.

You will be formally charged under the constitution of the Grand Lodge of Kentucky F. & A. M. and expelled from our membership. We will also notify the Grand Lodge of New York of your expulsion from the Order.

You can read all of the communications HERE

Stealth · 04-16-2008, 12:18 PM

What gals me is that Main Stream Masons defend, defend and defend the several Grand Lodges "right" to make racist edicts and racist Masonic Law based upon the stupidity that there is only one GL per-state the ones they recognize.

Main Stream Masons do not like the aforementioned term so now they self-ordain themselves George Washigton Masonry. Which ever name they decide to use is meaningless but their action's are meaningful.

Its time for MSM or GWM or whatever they are, to look inward and stop pointing their finger screaming irregular, clandestine, fake, bogus or any other array of words of divisions. Racism and bigotry is rampant in many of these GL jurisdictions they keep protecting. If they continue to look the other way and irnoge the true problems within their temples, those temples shall crumble into dust because they are not adhering to true Masonic principles.

The time has come for a true MS GL to stand up and lead their organization into the 21st century out of the darkness of their un-Masonic past.

I AM MAD ARE YOU????????????????

Stealth · 04-16-2008, 12:55 PM

I have already read several postings elsewhere that are attacking Brother (cemab4y). Standing up for truth within the MSM system equals the attacks of cult members when a person leaves a compound of a cult and tells the world the truth.

These "masons" and I use this term loosely are not true Brothers to their own if attacking a Brother is part of being a member of their Masonry who needs it? They are going against the principles of Free Masonry and they are the ones that should be expelled by their membership. Truely appalling.

Below is the reqirements to become a member of the Grand Lodge of KY

"Are you interested in pursuing membership? The basic criteria for membership is:

A belief in God
Believe in the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of man
Male and at least 21 years old
Be a resident of Kentucky
Be recommended by 2 members of the Lodge
Receive a unanimous ballot for membership"

Shouldn't that be re-written to say "Believe in the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of White men"?

D. W. Brown · 04-16-2008, 01:53 PM

You find out real fast who are Brothers and who are just members, in my opinion there IS a difference.

Stealth · 04-16-2008, 02:02 PM

How right you are Brother Dale. I found out myself. Thsoe that turn upon you before the true facts are presented are not your friends much less your Brothers.

I need to take a break before I explode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stealth · 04-17-2008, 12:41 PM

This is what GM Keith Dreier stated in a email sent to him:

"You sir do not understand the issue here as it pertains to our constitution."

This is what SGW Todd Eastham stated in a email sent to him:

"The fact of the matter is that our Most Worshipful Grand Master is obligated to uphold our Book of Constitutions that was handed down to him from years gone by."

So if we are to believe their statements this is about their Constitution stating PH is Clandestine. They need to inform several of their lodges who have websites listing famous Masons to remove the names of clandestine Masons (considered such by the GL of KY) off their sites or these lodges should loose their charters.

Robinson Lodge #266
Plumb Lodge #862
Pleasure Ridge Park #959

Just to name three. If PH is not recognized as "regular" in Kentucky these Lodges must have their charters pulled for listing PH Masons as regular on their websites.

Talk about stupidity. What is this really about? These terms of recognition and hiding behind the fact that the GL of KY does not recognize PH as "regular" sounds like just another excuse to state such because they are Black.

grandsecretary · 04-17-2008, 04:53 PM

The Senior Grand Warden doesn't know which end of a Grand Lodge is which. What a rank amateur!

The fact of the Matter is the Grand Master is the Grand Master and if he is not willing to do the right thing then - Goodbye!

phimac39 · 04-18-2008, 02:10 PM

What's it like up there on your soap boxes ? So by your line of thinking we can pick and choose which rules we are going to follow and which ones we will not because we don't agree with them . A Mason violated his obligations , was called out on it , posted it on the internet so he could find a shoulder to cry on and every Mason that agrees with the GL of KY are not true Masons .

It seems to me you don't know which end of the Grand Lodge is which .

TM274 · 04-18-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by phimac39

What's it like up there on your soap boxes ? So by your line of thinking we can pick and choose which rules we are going to follow and which ones we will not because we don't agree with them . A Mason violated his obligations , was called out on it , posted it on the internet so he could find a shoulder to cry on and every Mason that agrees with the GL of KY are not true Masons .

It seems to me you don't know which end of the Grand Lodge is which .

I know nothing about the GL of KY, but I am learning.

I now see this issue as a clash between Grand Lodges, brought on by a desire by one Mason who thought he was doing the right thing.
He had posted this thread in two other forums. It was said to be a "hypothetical" situation and at the time I had my doubts about such a scenario, I actually was disgusted as I didn't think he was being honest at the time as there was more to it.
Posting this on the Internet in hindsight, may not have been his best idea.
My short reply to his thread, at the time, was along the lines....."you can't serve two Masters. He now knows this to be true.
Being "under the thumb" of two Grand lodges meant that somewhere along the line was going to be a clash of policies of some sort. Resigning from one would have been the better option.
It now eventuates that he has been expelled by the GL of KY and they in turn, have contacted the GL of NY seeking his expelment(does this word exist?) from that lodge. The reason.......breaking the sacred oath by visiting a clandestine lodge. To the GL of NW it isn't.......but to the GL of KY it is.

I hope the GL of NY stand by this bretheren as he has in no way violated his oath to them. Worse is that this matter has two Grand Lodges locked in a moral issue over another Lodge.

Wether the bretheren involved knew of this "recognition/non recognition" between the two lodges, remains to be seen. If he did know, then I would have to say that it may have been a ploy by him to test the rules, which I feel is not right. The matter could have been discussed quietly and the bretheren should have disclosed his intentions to one or both to the Grand lodges concerned.
Diction betweem the two Grand Lodges now involved would have been far better before this event, not after.
Where one Grand Lodge recognises another Lodge and the other doesn't, I don't understand. It just makes visitation to another Lodge more harder, unless checked through the Grand Lodge before visiting.
Here in Australia, a MM must check with the Grand Lodge in his state before visiting a foreign Lodge.
Now after this incident, I will double check.

You may now tear my statement apart. Personally,I don't care what you do.
I have answered with my heart and no man will prevent another man from speaking what he feels.

Stealth · 04-18-2008, 09:37 PM

If setting in a PH Lodge is wrong because KY does not recognize them it is also WRONG for ANY Lodge within the jurisdiction of the GL of KY to list PH mASONS AS "fAMOUS MASONS".

PULL THE CHARTERS OF THE LODGES THAT HAVE WEBSITES STATING SUCH if its really about your stupid backwards idiotic law to procalim PH as Clandestine. LIVE UP TO YOU LAW.................