Should this man be disciplined? or expelled? What do you think?

cemab4y · 04-11-2008, 02:34 AM

Here is a hypothetical:

A Man belongs to two(2) different lodges in two(2) different states. He therefore, belongs to two(2) different grand Lodges, in the two(2) respective states.

One of his Grand Lodges is in full communications with Prince Hall Grand Lodges in nearly all of the states, and abroad. One of his Grand Lodges is NOT in communications with Prince Hall, anywhere, and considers all Prince Hall lodges and Grand Lodges to be "clandestine".

Suppose this man visits and fellowships with a Prince Hall lodge, that is in full communications with one of his Grand Lodges, and this Grand Lodge has accepted the Prince Hall lodge as "regular"?

Should this man visit and fellowship with Prince Hall lodges? Since one of his Grand Lodges is perfectly all right with visitation/fellowship, is he in violation of any regulations? Should the non-recognizing Grand Lodge, discipline or expel him?

D. W. Brown · 04-11-2008, 05:29 PM

I think he should expell the GL that doesn't live in the 21st century.

Stealth · 04-12-2008, 10:04 AM

Right on Brother Dale.
ANY Grand Lodge that threatens expulsion to any Master Mason that visits another Lodge or Grand Lodge of Master Masons spends too much time trying to rule the lives of its members. No GL has the right to govern who another Master Mason visits with, eats with, or are friends with.

They need to get a life....

grandsecretary · 04-14-2008, 07:39 AM

A Freemason who is a member of two Grand Lodge jurisdictions in North America, from circumstance of living and working abroad, visits a regular Lodge of another U.S. jurisdiction.

This Lodge is in Amity with one of the U.S. Grand Lodges in question but not "recognised" by the other one.

The one that did not "recognise" has moved the expulsion of that Brother which, if successful, will bar him from attending:

Both of his U.S. Lodges; and the "unrecognised" Lodge due to its Treaty of Amity with the one that "recognises" it.

Bonkers!

D. W. Brown · 04-15-2008, 10:28 PM

Yes.. This one is quite interesting, I got a peek at some of the exchange between the Grand Secretary (of the said GL) and this Brother and I have to admit I was quite amazed at the tone coming from the GL officer. I'll post as soon as I validate their authenticity.

cemab4y · 05-08-2008, 06:20 AM

Update: I have been informed of the trial date. I cannot attend, I am in Iraq.

jpeffer2007 · 05-08-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cemab4y

Update: I have been informed of the trial date. I cannot attend, I am in Iraq.

Bro. Martin,

I'm sure the GL of KY has already issued judgment so the issue of a trial is a moot point. I'm sorry for the way you've been treated. I hope the GL of NY does not follow KY's lead. In my opinion you expressed what is best about true Free-Masonry, tolerance and brotherly love, in your decision to visit with PH Masons. I'm just sorry those same tenants aren't being shown towards you.

Jamie